I don't consider myself a highsec carebear as I do a little of everything, but I know some actual carebears and i'll answer what i think they'd say (not the hyperbole BS that some people expect)

1) suicide ganks should cost enough compared to the value of the target to deter casual ganks, ganks should be generally reserved for high value loot pinatas. "Free KMs" is another issue - loss mails should be issued for Concordokken

2) that is harder to answer. low sec and 0.0 activities should pay more, collaborative activities should pay more.

Ship hull prices should has some connection to how long it takes to mine the resources to make them, and outside of market manipulation situations they do.

However when have an overly bottle necked resource in the resource list for the hull then you have a situation where market manipulation can arise. Unfortunately the most important ship in providing the resources to build all hulls has a bottlenecked resource in its resource requirements, leading to a situation in which market manipulation has inflated the price so a campaign of suicide attacks can take place at a large alliance level profit. This market manipulation would be harder, and there would be much less financial incentive, if the target hulls had EHP more in line with a more realistic amount for a "Deep space 0.0 corp designed vessel".


I don't know any carebear who thinks that Eve should be 100% safe anywhere, the carebears I know are just sick and tired of having bullshit made up about them and constantly worrying about loosing a 200m isk hull to a 1 mil isk hull

I do know that during the short time I spent in a PvP corp I found myself wondering, "How do I make money to continue doing this activity?" I guess I never found the answer.

No you can't. (At least not without Faction or Officer mods on your Suicide Talos, in which case )

I don't think that's a problem. I think that's a choice they make.

Yes, for 1 miner / whatever crying post there are 50 pro "PvPers" who keep spamming abusive drivel about the whole categories and try to convince that the game is their way or the highway.

HTFU gankbear. shoot things that can shoot back like the rest of us do

the ship must be capable of fielding a decent tank

either the nado sucked, he had good fleet boosts from somewhere, or wasnt making much isk and had nothing better to do?? whichever, good for him hehe

Interesting viewpoint (and definitely OPINION) considering most outside media reporting on the game talk about how it revolves around the "unique player-driven Market".

I showed a few Forum postings to my Therapist awhile back and she found that player attitude to be extrememly 'not normal' and actually tried to talk me out of playing.

OK. Then they are both equally important. But thanks for revealing your myopic view in your poasting.

We pay RL money to play the game we want to play.

AND, you guys sure take the miner hatred seriously.

Oh, and you're just stupid in your claim to know what my Therapist thought. Get out.

It's the childish attitude around it. Again, get out.

So anyways... 5 pages I there is barely anyone who actually responded to the questions. Is it because the real highsec dwellers simply adapted and are playing the game or because they do not exist?

8 or so years ago eve was considered a mining simulator with a side element of pvp..

i was there, like alot of mining pilots are here right now.. when the most fun you could find from this game was reading these forums, back before the asshats invaded

Dear null sec resident:

1) What is an acceptable amount of risk?

2) What is an acceptable amount of profit?

30k EHP with max skills is not a decent tank for a cruiser sized hull, what are you smoking?

Local is an outdated mechanic that should NEVER make into a PvP game.
As for cloakers getting power removed, you are seriously wrong. If anything, they'd become invaluable gates watching tools.

LOL u and all u griefin buddies are the redundant ones. Tell me how you can really think that gankin a T1/T2 fitted hulk with a a few Tier 3 BC's can be profitable? You are griefers, plain and simple and as such should be perma banned. There is absolutely no profit in ganking hulks with tier 3 bc's. Therefore it IS griefing.

And don't bother either Porto. You are a Goon disguised as a ugly girl, or in your other self, Mussolini's fatter brother.

Funny part is, it's very often the same people who paint miners as risk-averse carebear cowards who'll be the first to say that everything is PvP in Eve - including mining. Add the risk from gankers, and miners should be worshipped as the true warriors of Eve..

As always you forget that most gankers do it for fun. Those who gank for profit are in minority.

1. high sec should mean 100% safe with sec status 1 and declining thereafter. 100% safe should include a system that helps newb players with maybe repping and maybe super dmging ships responding with in a couple secs instead of 10. these benefits should be less and response time more as sec status lowers.

IMO a single Destroyer killing a Hulk mining in high sec is just taking advantage of unbalanced game mechanics.

Extreme sports? If yes, you should know about involved risks and you take those risks willingly.

Miner is in system, goes to asteroid belt, mines Ore, takes it to station and refines it. No PvP in that. If there's another Miner in the same belt mining on the exact same asteroid, then that would be considered PvP.

Miner does quick sell of minerals on market. No PvP in that either. The character placing the buy order is the one doing the PvP with others. If the Miner sets his own price with advanced sell option or travels to sell minerals to highest buyer listed in market, then that's PvP.

So, WoW is a PvP game now?

So, I should ignore all "tank your Hulk" stuff and go for max yield/cargo?

No.

I know the risks. But why should I take those risks if I don't want to?

So, care to list what MMOs are PvE-only? By your definitions, no PvE MMO exist yet they are played by the majority of population.

Wrong, the belt replenishes itself.

Wrong, only if he does advanced sell option.

Guess you missed the parts where I said how mining actually does become PvP. If there's another Miner in the same belt mining on the exact same asteroid, then that would be considered PvP. If the Miner sets his own price with advanced sell option or travels to sell minerals to highest buyer listed in market, then that's PvP.

Again, I see no actual attempt at refuting the counter arguments presented.

I have been in very hard core guilds in other PvE MMOs. The competition was very fierce on which guild would kill certain bosses first. That's competition as much as market PvP is.

Also, instances drop very epic stuff and recipes that will impact on other players who come after you.

Avoid replying with some of your nonsense, I have been guild leader long enough to have lived all of what I write, in the position of those who sold the components.

You are generalizing about stuff you don't seem to totally know about.

I think you may be confusing definitions. If I deliberately stop someone from getting something, then I am denying them that thing. If my actions inadvertantly remove the possibility of that person acquiring the thing, that's different.

i still do not understand why poeple who pay to play eve in high sec are percieved as the cancers of the game when 90% of the population of eve play the game in high sec...and the remaining 10% depend on high sec.

I have just invited 5 people in my Orca fleet to give everybody mining boost.

I suppose I am PvPing them hard.

If you check the post above that, I had misquoted something typed by Tippia not me. Re-read better.

You may be missing the objective of the perceived contempt. It's not against all people that play EVE in highsec.

EIther way its their game, let them play it they way they want to. i would like a game that is truely diverse and doesn't depend on how long you have been playing the game and how many are in your fleet. its the "kicking your sand castle down" that is sorely missing.

There will always be carebears, but forcing people into low/null isn't the way. This game needs more positive reasons to go to low/null, instead of negative reasons to not be in high.

Telling your child you'll punch them in the face if they don't get As on the report-card will cause more trouble than it's worth. Just tell them they'll get $20 for every A.

Positive vs Negative re-enforcement.